Observations by Ella Evers on an
article by an anonymous devotee
By: Ella Evers
Document date: September 9, 2001
Observations on: http://www.kheper.auz.com/topics/gurus/Sai_Baba.htm
Here are my observations between the lines (in blue) of the article written by anonymous pro sb devotee:
Many people in the spiritual and religious scenes, as well as mainstream society, feel uncomfortable about Sathya Sai Baba. Indeed, opinions are very polarized regarding the nature of this extraordinary personality. One the one hand there are those who acknowledge him as the avatar of this age, on the minus side those who consider him a con-artist, pedophile, and even worse.
When I went to visit Sai Baba in India around 1982, I came across in a Bangalore bookshop a book, Sai Baba, Lord of the Air, by Tal Brooke. I found this book quite amazing. This fellow Tal was an associate of Timothy Leary and then became a spiritual seeker who visited a number of gurus, including Sai Baba. He claimed that he became close to Sai Baba and that whenever Sai Baba would see him he (Sai) would hug him and thrust his hims against him in a sexual manner. Becoming unnerved by this, Tal met some Christians and became a born again Christian. Terrified, and convinced that Sai Baba was the incarnation of the Christian Devil (as well as a homosexual, these two concepts being not too far removed in the fundamentalist Christian, especially the Televangelist's, mind ;-) and aided by his Christian friends, Tal managed to make escape. He now makes a fine living
Here is what an anonymous Sai disciple has to say regarding Tal Brooke and his books
My own experience of Sai Baba has always been very positive. These included two genuine psychic experiences, once when I was camping at the "Sky to Earth" alternative festival (I think this was in 1984) when I was coming down with a bad cold. I knew once I had a cold I would be screwed, I would be sick as a dog the whole weekend. I prayed desperately to Sai Baba, then I felt his astral presence (it was definitely his aura, that is the sense of a personality that I felt when looking at his picture or reading stuff about him) and his hands grabbed the yuck (the congestion whatever) and took it away
Many people have seen sb on the astral. The astral planes are not necessarily higher planes. The astral planes are definitely not the spiritual planes. My friend D. Brandt has seen sb many times on the astral planes. On one occasion sb asked him for help as he does not know what to do any more...
I could sense it on the astral. This was no illusion (in my opinion) and I will swear by it to this day. From that moment on my cold receded and the next day I was better. Since I tend to get very bad headcolds this was unusual, and it has never happened before or since.
About a year later I had another astral experience of Sai Baba which was similar (though not a healing, more a presence) but not as strong I have always found tuning into Sai Baba's energy and mantra strong and positive. There is none of that lower emotional energy that I have felt from, say, the Siddha Yoga people.
I have had a totally different experience. I studied with a siddha yogi. His power was great and very positive.
Once (this was during the late 1980s) I went from a Sai Baba bhajan group to a Siddha Yoga bhajan group and it was like going from a place of glowing light to muddy energy.
This is a very personal opinion. It is leading somewhere to believe that the anonymous devotee understands siddha yoga, I doubt that. It takes a long time with a siddha Master to have some understanding.
I am not knocking the Siddha people, this is what I experienced, and maybe I am biased.
Very biased I would think....
Because I am always more inclined to believe my own personal experiences (which I know at least are subjectively valid) rather than experiences of others, for many many years I was certain Sai Baba constituted a genuine avatar, albeit one with a rather quirky sense of humour that not everyone appreciates.
I remember watching the Australian national current affairs show 60 Minutes doing a hatched job on Sai Baba (I guess this was the one in 1987 mentioned by ex-devotees), and they were there with Sai Baba - who is this little guy - the reporter a skeptic-type guy showing how sleight-of-hand materializations are done, and Sai Baba is there sort of laughing I guess because they were all so stern and serious and missing the point. (well that is what I thought at the time). I have no love for 60 Minutes by the way; they have consistently taken a very conservative, judgmental, anti-welfare (I.e. the unemployed are "dole bludgers") and anti-environmental line for many many years. This is typical of all these moralizing and pontifical current affairs shows (I agree they serve a purpose in exposing confidence tricksters). Lately at least they have come around to being more pro-environment, which is something of a blessing. But in other respects they haven't changed. So I just thoughtoh here we again, more Sai Baba bashing.
The devotee wants to stay safely on the sb side... after all he believes he is an Avatar.
By the way a good friend of mine who is also a very spiritual person has the same positive feelings about Sai Baba that I have
Did not we all some time ago. What ABOUT THE VICTIMS, I like to ask here.
Now a Sai Baba story:
I think it was Moshe Kroy (I'm not sure) who related this to me many years back.
A lady devotee noticed that Sai Baba's hair was showing some grey and she said "Baba you have grey hairs!"
Sai Baba said "hmm, really?" and then swept his hand over his head, removing all trace of grey. Since that time he has shown no sign of aging.
Let me tell you how shocked I was to see how sb had aged when I saw him last year in the spring. I have heard from a good trusted source that he paints his hair black. He however could not hide that his hair is thinning like that of an old man. He had a large bald spot on his head, that I did not see before. He had trouble walking and was stumbling at times... There was nothing youthful about his appearance. Many of his victims of whom sb mentioned that they were weak when they did not have ... (you can fill it in) ... said:" How could they feel anything sexual with such an old man???"
He also said that he would remain like this until he was 95, when he would leave his body.
NONSENSE anonymous devotee!
It will be interesting to see if in twenty years time Sai Baba still looks the same as he does now! It will certainly be an interesting piece of evidence in favour of his having extraordinary powers if he does.
Again NONSENSE, see my statements above!
messages from Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba on unity and peace among religions
Since putting up the original (since much modified) version of this page I have received a couple of emails by concerned ex-devotees. At first I thought this is more slander. But now, after going to the site indicated by the last one, I am more starting to feel a little more skeptical. So I have included their emails and the links they specified
My own position on this? Well, I know what I experienced and I know it isn't and wasn't hallucination (I am a phenomenologist after all, not a reductionist!). Explanations? Try on a few for size:
Sai Baba is genuine and who and what he claims - these reports are false. Sorry, I can no longer accept this - too much evidence indicating the reports are genuine.
Sai Baba is genuine and who and what he claims - but he just happens to be gay. No problems with him being gay, but why the pedophilia? the faking of miracles? Projects starved of funds?
My experiences in this matter were and are delusions and/or imagination. Well, if that is your opinion, that is fine, it matters not to me.
Sai Baba is a fake and a conman but for some reason my higher unconscious or Higher Self has chosen him as an image on which to project a partial and/or genuine image of the Divine. Hmm, why? There is nothing about Sai Baba's teaching or manner that attracts me. Okay the miracles are cool, but so what? Why not Maharaji or Osho or anyone else? Of course it might be something in my subconscious that I am not aware of.
Sai Baba has some genuine power and inspiration and light, but it comes from the Intermediate Zone. Hence ego and personal desire is mixed with spiritual insight This appears to be a very common phenomenon. The same thing has almost certainly happened to Da Free John. Quite possibly with Mataji as well. Not that Sai is an egotist like Da (I definitely don't feel he is), but maybe it is more the desire of having fine things around him.
Sai Baba's form is used by some other entity of Light. It is this entity that did the healing (e.g. healed me of my headcold) Quite possible. But why? Well, maybe this entity need some form as a concrete focus for devotees to latch onto. I feel most exoteric religions work this way. They are shells through which genuine higher beings can manifest in the human level.
Where do I stand now? Well, I still like the energy. I still like this presence I still continue to call "Sai Baba". I feel nothing muddy or dark in it.
This is in my honest opinion ONLY THE EGO talking. The ego that does not want to let go of the dream it dreamed, in which God came to earth to take care of the people and the earth... It is time to wake up from this dream and to realize that to find truth we must go inwards, not to sb, but to the real SELF, which will set us free of the ego.
Does it come from Sai Baba himself, from my own mind's projection onto Sai Baba, or from another entity who is appearing through Sai Baba's form? I do not know. I still don't think I have done this whole subject justice - there is more to be explained, and I haven't resolved things to my satisfaction. I know that to me and to many other sincere people (including people who can see through fakes) this experience is positive. But I do not wish to ask you to believe that. It is upto you to come to your own conclusions. Ultimately, if the whole Sai Baba experience shows anything, it shows that the only true Guru lies within one's own heart, and that one's own gnosis is the only true teacher.
I completely agree with the last sentence.
Here is some of the email I received from former devotees of Sai Baba:
Sat, 18 Dec 1999
I found your website during an engine search for sites related to Sai Baba. I read your views.
I just wanted to inform you that if you want to find out about the real Sai Baba, you can talk to David Bailey, the famous UK devotee who has left Sai Baba for good. Some of his unique experiences are found at the yahoo forum discussion site:
A forthcoming expose in the Indian and international media and subsequent legal prosecution of Sai Baba's fraud with the Super Specialty Hospital, Water Projects, his long-term pedophile homosexual activities with selected students, cheating of materializations etc. is expected shortly on a worldwide scale.
Sainath (a former devotee)
Thu, 30 Aug 2001
See also http://www.exbaba.nl
I consider Miss Alexandra Nagel's article "A Guru Accused" the best. Press on English. Press then on Articles and then scroll down to Aug. 15, 2001.
Andries, the Netherlands