Addiction, Gurus & Sex Juice vs

PRINCIPLE of Ecstatic Communion


Date: 01-19-02

By: Dan Winter,

Document date: 11/19/99



...the em-path to them all is the path to em-bed. Findhorn we knew: 'What is the Blessing the Parasite Worm Brings to

the Garden?"

1/20/00 New links on Sai Baba issue added, bottom here.

This newsletter looks at the relationship between getting the first estatic juice able to pump up the spine, versus addiction and the tendancy to rely on external sources for that pumping including "Guru's." We will use some fairly uncomfortable info about Sai Baba to illustrate the first part. The storal to the mory is the upbeat blessing that instructions in bliss access do come from an awakening worm. (... Pining the Spice.. from Dune.)

We begin with this just in:

From: "Audra Design & Mfg. Co."

To: "Dan Winter"

(I introduced Chaz and Audra who have an alchemical Sacred Jewelry design lab to Pat Flangan, & they now make many pendants for him, the 2nd part of this letter reviewed the usefulness of those).

"Dan, this is the update from Ole in Denmark. What's up with you? Chaz

----- Original Message -----

From: Ole, November 18,

"Dear Chaz,

Your package was received Friday last week. The designs are awesome and I cant thank you enough for getting these samples to me! More about that below...

I was not able to write you immediately because of some problems of DIMENSIONS in my spiritual life right now.

It seems Dan Winter was after all correct about Sai Baba... I have recently made contact with some former VIP devotees from the UK, Sweden and Australia. They all claim the same independently and there is now proof coming out that Sai Baba is nothing more than a simple fraud with no mystical powers and he is having sexual relationships with some of his young students in India. The inner circle of his organization is slowly beginning to crumble, as Sai Baba is no longer able to keep his paedophile escapades a secret anymore. My whole belief system has been shattered to the core because of this. I was a devotee for almost 13 years and believed totally he was Avathar - an incarnation of God. Years ago there were miracles in my family's home even - materializations of different Sai Baba related things manifesting before our eyes... I still can't believe he is a fraud - so many things have happened in my life because of him.

Anyway, I am trying to pick up the pieces right now, so excuse me if I am not up to standard... " end quote(further correspondance on Sai Baba issue at bottom)

I forwarded the note to friends Hugh and Carol who among other things, had been conveying to me stories frequently about their very personal friendship with Sai Baba. Hugh has been quite a scholar about the origins of the Draco/Dragon on this planet, and we discussed the up side of having a strong reptilian/worm/orme spine/brain kind of genetic origin. They introduced me to a member of the long royal family/blood of Thailand. They were all comfortable with the hi level of Dragon/Draco worship in that bioregion. I pointed out that the Senshi pyramids of China were reportedly laid out in a template of Alpha Draconis. Only recently did I find out Hancock (of Orion on Giza mapping), devoted his whole latest splashy color book HEAVEN's MIRROR, to proving the royal "Angkor Wat" was in large part simply a map of the star system Draco. Of course he has no meaningful answer to why. Briefly, we may surmise that the An/reptilian family under Innana reposed to that Eastern India/China part of the globe (Orginating most of their "God" legends.), after the nuclear maelstorm of Enki/Enlil desertified the Sinai. (In this regard I also enjoyed bumping in to...." In his groundbreaking book Cosmic Voyage, Courtney Brown, revealed the existence of two extraterrestrial civilizations whose destinies are intertwined with our own." who concludes with some very detailed interventionist notions behind the Reptilian parasitism on our planet.)

A good review of preceding articles about the Dragon blood which was BOTH the high Magdalen AND the Draco vampiric in the Grail bloodline, see ../blood

So no one in the conversation was apologetic about many reports that Sai Baba when seen clairvoyantly looked just like a giant worm out of DUNE. (The one report that he was a parasitic worm of the An lineage originally assigned to UrANus was unconfirmed.) I tried to explain how large scale harvesting of human glandular juices, uv blue fire aura / ecstatic/sex juice , was the raw material Sai Baba needed for Vibuti production. Hugh and Carol emphasized how millions of Indian children had schools because of Sai Baba; I pointed out that each day they all were required to pour out their worship uv juice to the reigning astral parasite/ guru Sai himself.

Of course their is a possible symbiosis between a reigning borg queen and her hive. And no one here is suggesting we should regard Sai Baba as simply evil in the sense of failing to embed. The question is more what should we learn and strengthen about self empowerment from the millions of person who sought this urge to the flow of guru juice, even if it was vampiric in may ways.

For example, I would not agree with the statement above that Sai had no mystical powers. In fact if you can be the cookie cutter at the nozzle of so many millions of humans sex/uv/worship juice, you DO get to be very powerful. What is so critical that we not be borgs in the river of that blue fire, but instead angels aborning, is that we understand the PRINCIPLE of how that worm becomes self-aware and self-steering. (been trying to get a-'head' for millenia...)

Let us consider how the upper 'bird' brain literally starves for the development of the high pyschokinetic opto holo mapping cortex, if their is no regular nutrient from the snakes mouth, the reptilian brain stem dumping snake venom, kunda juice out the amygdala.

We have discussed elsewhere...(see link list at the bottom of this article) that each living human cell is necessarily programmed to be aware that it has no ability to make regular survival required phone calls home, UNLESS THEIR IS REGULAR ECSTATIC PROCESS/ BLISS! The UV ultraviolet squirt gun up the zipping DNA helix, like kundalini/tantra when sustainably blissful, gets a faster than light wave connection by Phi braiding which allows information communion with aura/soul/collective mind/racial memory.

So each cell knows that it is toast anyway unless a soure of bliss is found. So in a sense, at a cellular level our young people have no choice but to turn to drugs IF THEIR PARENTS DO NOT OFFER THEM BLISS PRODUCING ACTIVITIES / training !!

(Examples: sufi dance, eurhythmy, tai chi, sacred gymnastic, sacred circle dance, ... rock concerts with spirit focus? communion of presences - same as capacitive impedance matching for tantra...)

Now let us apply this to WHY the last best source of that sacro cranial PUMPING, is ALWAYS THE BODY'S CELLULAR MEMORY OF WHAT IT IS ADDICTED TO NOW. Whether sex, or roller coasters, or drugs, or dance, or being the visual focus of many people.... what ever last produced the RUSH of phase alignment/ PRESENCE OF MINDFULNESS (wave recursion gone implosive)... THIS WILL NECESSARILY BE THE MOTIVATOR TO MOVE US TO THE NEXT SOURCE OF FOOD FOR THE HIGH BRAIN. ('addiction' if it is EXTERNALLY based).

Simply put, biology is programmed to know, that the only sustainable immortality (wave) occurs when the spine gets the privelege to dump superluminal DNA lightning into larger gravity centroids (making stars like our sun). For those that acheive this inhabit stars. (They have clear visions, as I have heard from MANY, of what it is like to SEE/FEEL thru the eye of the sun.: ../eyeofthesun ).

Those that don't are recycled into the muddy DNA collective field effect (collective unconscious). Thus this access to the sustained worming thru the faster than light, is the physics of our religious notion of heaven. In fact we literally MEASURE by frequency signature the NUMBER of contained harmonics in the EKG (& presumeably DNA), actually ASCENDS (in phi harmonics). So dimension as access to more superposed spins, is nestable by phylotaxes. Ascention into heaven is physics.. or more accurately: is phy-cycle.

So where did our kids who turned to the gutu thing go wrong. Well, first let me guess, the majority of those who ended up hosing their spine juce to Sai Baba the parasite, would otherwise have NO WAY OF GETTING THEIR SPINE JUICE GOING. In other words, (obviously) those who have had no success in getting tears of bliss into their own life are prime susceptibles to cult and guru worship.

And where do we draw that thin line between the teacher who says, here join this bliss group, vs the teacher who says, feed me your bliss juice. That is the everlovin dance. It is just like the young girl who with her first orgasm unconsciously (& probably romantically usefully) connects access to her OWN BLISS JUICE, with access to the boy who did it with her.

So what have we learned about the fundalmental nature of addiction.

1. It is no more a mistake of mother nature teaching survival than 'imprinting' during a Mother's first hug.

2. That if bliss juice access is not taught, cults and drugs must follow.

3. Tantra/kundalini/bliss ritual is the ultimate SOURCE for all immune systems as these are the soure for the uv spin density which makes the wave foldedness (phase aligning 'focus') we call membrane sustainable.

4. That the river of collective cellular DNA UV lightning going slip knotting out into stars is the prime purpose for the human genetic experiment, in the sense not only is it 'the only way outta here', (Ensoulment as 'Per-sun-all-I-tie'), but it is also 'what people are for' in the galactic metabolism... EMBED...make recursion... stabilize gravity.. you become the STARMAKER eddy among waves. THIS IS the WORM AWAKENING...

So what again did we learn when we found that biofeedback training was the most successful AND empowering solution to addiction on this planet. (2. CLINICAL USE OF RECURSION HARMONICS:

../clinicrecursion/Clinicr.html , Marty Wuttke, developer of EEG Clinical Practicum to Treat,Addiction- at Institute for Family Wellness, Atlanta - was - Southern Institute of Applied Psychophysiology ...

We learned that when the heart brain system learned to fabricate the (eeg/ekg) harmonic ratios (phi), of embedding for themselves, the resultant source of bliss juice was self sustaining. (Sacro Cranially Pumped by Snake Charmer Gland Phonics, nicely picted at: ../isthisrecursion/apta.html ). And thus using alchohol to deprive the brain of Oxygen to emulate bliss/increase electrical conductivity, was suddenly second fiddle in the body's hunger. It is replaced by the inner ability to BUILD YOUR OWN PHIRE.

Biofeedback to complete the harmonic ladder caddeuceus (phi harmnics) in the alpha/theta etc. of both brain and heart, which produces bliss, should accompany instruction in blissful kinesthetics. This includes, "Infinity Walk", Labyrinth, movement into sacred space/ embedding pattern (Flamenco) etc.

We explored the detailed connection between, USING EXTERNAL SOURCES OF FIRE (caffeine/alchol etc), and how that forces the self-notself membrane to breakdown: This creates MUCOUS, home for Annunaki designer viruses attacking those with no implosion/self-notself barrier.., at:.The Archeo-Geometry of America's Spiritual Destiny (../america/index.html,) It is critical to understand why the required inhabiting substrate for the new virals is mucous and mucosal linings. Mucous is created quite literally when the body gets the self vs not-self barrier ...
The storal to that mory was simple: only the self sustaining fire which comes from within, can make a self not self/membrane. All the rest of muddy barriers/mucous is the perfect home for the designer viruses lo grade interventionist ET's use to prune our genepool (tubercular etc.). Experiment: 3 days without ANY external stimulant - caffeine, alchohol or even sugar /white flour.. then check: a.) your mucous level & b.) your bliss access . 

And in reprise about our Guru's. Actually pedophilia is a response to some more simple physics. Spoon bending psychokinesis was measured to be more common during puberty. That is the time when the river of DNA lightning MUST be given a channel, (creative and erotic and dependably blissful) or insanity will result. We must not be intimidated by the fact that the power of this river, urge to bliss, destroys families and lives. It is simple. Deny the river, and you deny life (recursion/embedding) force.

The urge to cult was the urge to bliss. And it does have with it the danger of hive mind, for better or worse. We cannot in one breath condemn cult and hive mind, and in the same breath bless a collective unconscious become conscious. They are the same. Since, only one mind does go home... we only get critical genetic superluminal inertial escape velocity thru the suns heart communally initially, THEN WE MUST ACCEPT THE NEED TO GATHER OUR BLISS PROCESS AROUND ONE SEED. That seed is not a person. (guru). Personne in French means no one. That seed is THE PURE PRINCIPLE OF EMBEDDING (see ../grail.html ), WHICH ALLOWS MANY (waves) TO BECOME ONE.

Dan Winter - asheville mountains smokey blue...


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2. Nourished By Spin; Twinkling Eyes Lifestyle
... spin can be practiced practically, everyday. The following is some practical advice on including Ecstatic Process in simple daily life.. First it is important to realize just how  critical regular ecstatic ...
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5. Honey of the Queens..
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8. EKG Power Spectra:Does the Heart Become measureably Musical at the moment of Love?

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Subject: Re Sai Baba,

Fri, 19 Nov ,


Hi Dan,

I'm just responding to the first part of your message re gurus, esp. Sai Baba.

Read an interesting book a while ago re the subject - LORD OF THE AIR by
Tal Brooke (1976).

Tal was a devotee of Sai Baba until some sexual encounters took place and he became disillusioned with his 'master'. In it he talks about Sai Baba's mystical powers being related to some occult practices. A short quote..."dug up some unpleasant stuff among the local villagers at Puttaparthi about the original source of Baba's occult power. Something about an ancient lingam on a hill."..."But there's another side of this,' I added. There is an occult aspect about the semen. Check this out. Phil told me that semen is used in really heavy occult stuff. The vital essence of life or whatever. Phil told me he suspected that sperm from the Veda school kids, stored for a solar year, was the source of Baba's power." Apparently, Sai Baba has boarding schools on his ashram for young boys.

Basically he accuses Baba of being an hermaphrodite, who liked to unzip the trousers of young men...and then collect their semen in a handkerchief! His book is quite an eyeopener on someone who is supposed to be an avatar.

He writes, "By this time I was experiencing a new reaction to Baba. I sensed in his own manner a controlled caution towards me. As he brushed by, I felt a sweeping nausea within myself, revulsion and a deep indignation of spirit. It was as though the spirit that inhabited the bright-robed body
was putrid, foul and horrifying.....Baba whirled round in a state of fury, spewing out words. He knew who it was. His black eyes boiled. 'Rowdie, complete spoil! Go, get out here...' I have seen this sort of thing crush people before. But as I looked Baba in the eye nothing earth-shaking happened; I had not perished, as I half expected. I held my dignity, and looked at this imposter with an implacable conviction. He had been found out, his authority over me was gone, and I knew that what resided within his shell was neither divine nor yet entirely human. Baba spun round and marched off in a huff, while the onlookers studied me curiously. Wendel hurried over to question me about the incident. Smiling with relief, I was hard put to explain my overwhelming sense of release and freedom.......The
enchantment - the spell - under Baba was gone for ever."

Subject: heavy sai... follow up?,

Fri, 19 Nov

Looking for miracles may be the same as the schizophrenia of physicists
who say spirit or mind is separate from matter... waves are different
'stuff' than particles..

Needing to believe some waves (us VERSUS them) are

From:"Simon Granville"


So now believers can put their lives back together after finding out that Sai Baba is just like everyone else. Unfortuantely, they will shortly find someone else to fill the gap that Sai Baba left, until they learn that they are the creators of their own reality.
The point is not Sai Baba and his sex life the point is the mind of the seeer who creates the Sai Baba in the first place!



From: Brad Smith,

Thule Foundation

Poor guy shouldn't have a "belief" system.

Here's the actual facts on sai baba.
He is a metaphysical magician, using yogic powers to do "tricks".
He uses the sperm of his young devotees (the most volatile metaphysical
substance in the world) to "create" something from apparently nothing.
The sperm can be used like a liquid battery and energy contained
"stored" in another dimension for use later when old sai baby rubs his
fingers and some of that phony gris gris comes a pourin out into the
laps of his expectant dupes (oops I mean devotees).
Simple as that, a charlatan's charlatan.

Subject: Re: Gurus&Sex Juice vs PRINCIPLE of Ecstatic Communion,

Fri, 19 Nov,

Gurus-secret pedeophiles connect

I've noticed a connection here esp. since my guru who seemed to possess
the best of true qualites for 10 yrs i followed him turns out to be a
pedophile or at least a wannabe pedeophile.... could this be an ultimate Power trip?? or what you think is the connection..

Rgds, Darren

From Maureen H:


Hugh has done some very excellent work and I can only hope that Carol
will be not be devastated. Is there definitive proof? First Grandma Devi and now Sai Baba. What's going on? Sorry if you feel I am butting in but many of my friends are from many different religions and I would like to prepare them for what might be forthcoming.

Thank you,


Subject: [K-list] sex juice (was: heavy sai... follow up),

Sat, 20 Nov, "percyval"

To: "kundalini-list"

WARNING: this post contains a frank discussion of male sexuality and
tantra, so stop here and delete if you might find this offensive...

From: alingimp

> Apart from this, I don't really see how your recent posts are in any way
> relevant to the main topic of this list, namely K and it's manifestations. I
> thought this list is about K and not about spreading rumours and
> accusations. Even if Sai Baba really were an imposter, I couldn't care less.
> It is up to each individual to follow whoever and whatever they choose, no matter if I share their views or not.

Hi Karin,

I agree with you about the many recent posts about Sai being a bit much, and
most of Dan Winter's stuff does not make sense to me, partly because i rarely understand what he's saying...but i did find that post about gurus and sex juice to be on topic...the transformative power of semen when moved up instead of spurted is the main point of that post, and i have found that to be a most relevant some ways, semen can parallel k-flow, when running internally up the spine to have a transforming affect on the brain and nervous system, as is often discussed in tantric texts...

This may seem strange coming from a sexual hedonist like celibacy is one of the last things that i would ever consider for myself, but i have recently been experiencing major transformation and ecstasy from withholding ejaculation...i do this in conjunction with lots of time focused on sexuality, tantric stimulation, and ejaculationless tantric orgasms... so to me it is a hyper-sexuality rather than celibacy...

I used to believe that the tantric idea of the semen physically moving into the brain was only metaphorical, and have read that it is physiologically impossible...but i have found that after a week of intense tantric stimulation and ejaculationless orgasms, that if i finally ejaculate, there is only a very small amount of semen...if i merely abstained from stimulation without the tantra, i would build up a very large quantity of semen after a week's where did it all go? I think that the tantric stimulation got it physically moving up my spine to my brain, although this is not the only possible explanation...

Anyway, my general level of ecstasy/bliss/loving euphoria has increased drastically over the last few months while i have been doing this... I do actually have a physical ejaculation about a couple of times a month, so i haven't found that complete abstinence from them is necessary...this would compare to my previous norm of having about one a day...but for me, it is the combination of withholding the ejacualation along with extended orgasms (often longer than 30 minutes*) that makes the magic...

(* for info on extended sexual orgasms, see Alan and Donna Bauer's book, "ESO: How You and Your Lover Can Give Each Other Hours of Extended Sexual Orgasm"'s an inexpensive paperback that is carried by

I don't know if this would work for everyone, and i don't really understand the implications for females, but this new practice of mine has been transforming me and empowering me in the most incredibly beautiful way... there are those who consider this to be the "left-handed path"... well, i'm right-handed, but get a lot less tired by occasionally switching off to my left... so, i guess that means that i'm "ambisextrous"...*grin*

Anyway, i do believe that Dan Winter's purpose in his post was to point toward the magic inherent in this sex juice by showing how Sai was allegedly using it, and valuing it...i didn't hear his purpose being to attack him, but he did get in his jabs in along the way...*grin*...



Subject: Re: [K-list] Gurus&Sex Juice vs PRINCIPLE of Ecstatic

Communion, Sat, 20 Nov 1999 13:56:12 EST



<< I tried to explain how large scale harvestingof human glandular juices, uv blue fire aura / ecstatic/sex juice, was the raw material Sai Baba needed for Vibuti production. >>

I have been aware of this since about 1970 ! There was also a book written a LONG time ago , I think called " Lords of the Air" in which a devotee told of Sai Baba "milking him " for his semen, which he then very carefully wrapped up in a silk handkerchief, if I recall.


Re: [K-list] Gurus&Sex Juice,

Sat, 20 Nov,

"Wim Borsboom"

Dear Tom,

Dan Winter wrote:

I tried to explain how large scale harvesting of human glandular juices, uv blue fire aura / ecstatic/sex juice, was the raw material Sai Baba needed for Vibuti production.

Tom wrote:

A devotee told of Sai Baba "milking him " for his semen.

This thing is very complex and we should not put this into the category of sexual deviations or aberrations, there is a long hidden (subconsciously transmitted) history on this since primordial times.
Let me just write down some of my experiences and thoughts on this.

At some point during the *male* K process (don't know how this functions in women, I have inquired previously to the list but did not get any responses) Semen does not produce sperm anymore and the semen turns into a glandular secretion. The epididymi's functional involvement differs from the process where semen/cum/sperm is used for procreative purposes. The epididymi (this is in my case, any corroboration or comments from other male Kundalites would be greatly appreciated) separated from my testicles into two sweet organelle like blobs. Just touching then will send me into ecstasy if I want that. The testicles, which are as far as I know very sensitive to pressure and could be very painful, are now totally insensitive to pain and the lightest squeeze again can put me easily into ecstasy (any corroboration from the guys here?)

One way or another, (Dan Winter spotted the same process, he refers to it in one of his webpages) this glandular secretion goes up into the spine through a tiny orifice and gland, propelled by reverse pelvic rocking. The reverse pumping, if I may say so, is directed more backwards-and-up than forward-and-up. This additional glandular supply increases the cerebro-spinal-fluid inside the cerebro-spinal-canal inside the spine, the meninges and the five paired ventricles that are dispersed throughout the brain, from 125 cc to a possible 250 cc. Much of this is actually minutely
documented, although very poorly translated, in original Sanskrit yogic literature. The Hatha Yoga Pradipika is very clear on this. Just find a translation that is complete, it does not matter if it is bad, one can easily read between the lines. Ignore lines that sound like obvious commentary interjected by ignorant commentators.)

When the amount of CSF (cerebro-spinal fluid) gets over a certain threshold some of it drips from the third paired ventricle down on top of the soft palate and/or on the back of the tongue. The sensation of the pressure release and the dripping is extremely sweet. This is what is referred to as 'nectar', 'soma', 'ambrosia', 'amrita', elixir, 'love potion' etc. Not that the taste of the liquid is sweet, it is not, because the liquid is actually alkaline in its very nature. Its consistency is like Jell-O, or more properly stated it IS the consistency of jelly fish. In fact it is the original sea-creature in us before we started to surround ourselves with calcium accretions and other appendages. I have memories and realizations of this, so does my wife.

Ppl. that have used magic mushrooms and coke conveyed similar experiences to me. When the CSF pressure is high and the spinal column is in excellent shape as to curvature and flexibility in the "three degrees of freedom" (this seems almost a prerogative) the fluid emanates from the canal into all the nerve pairs that extend from the spine around and forward to the front of the human body, the various nerve plexes or chakric energy centres. I postulate, I have seen this functionally by introspection (?:-!) but I don't know if the nomenclature that I use is right, I postulate that the soma substance ('soma', I like that word because of its 'somatic' portent) gets transported in minute amounts of stuff/vibration/energy along the nerval dendrites underneath the myelin sheathing. When the energy pulses reach the front of the body the sensation initially felt as sweetness but it can increase in intensity to the highest states of ecstasy. Orgasmic ecstasy as by nearly everyone is one-sevenths of the (at least) 7 ecstasies that can be experienced. Each ecstasy having a slightly different ring (vibration) of sweetness and intensity.

About Vibuti, I have been able to extract some of my nectar and was tempted to process it, but never felled compelled enough to use it in my practice. Jesus used the same stuff in his cures. I found that miracle cures are not always lasting and too dependent on the healer, or vibuti supplier. Complete healing in the final analysis can only be instigated AND maintained AND consummated by the healing person. I come from a line of 'healers' that started with Aka(demos), healer of the people, the very guy who invented the arrow head and other stone tools, we are helpers, hand holders only, tool makers only. I find that most alternative healing practices, even if we call them holistic, are still un-whole, we need to heal (ourselves) at the root. I will help clients to get to the root quickly and avoid the round-abouts. We should not transplace suffering, pain and ailment with the fascination of the miracle however inspiring, short lived as they are and hard to maintain by the fascinated as they are externally brought about... even if the divine source and divine enrages are implemented.

Love, Wim

Subject: Still sai-ng; not to belabor the point,

Mon, 22 Nov 1999 11:06:09 05.00

From: Dan Winter


(Started to write up: mystress- electrical difference between mucous vs ecstatic spine juice.. key is star of david shadow of salt in sea water..., if mucous is the difference between self vs not self, which must be more conductive....)


Subject: Still sai-ng; not to belabor the point, but it seemed fair to pass this on from Ole (quoted in

Hello Dan,.

... Keen on people knowing ....?? What Sai Baba is up to. Why? Because there are some dark people here in his organization in Denmark, who have known about his activities for years. For this reason, my contact with David (removed for confidentiality), SB's former right hand man in the UK, have been hidden under a false identity, because I don't want my real indentity exposed yet.

According to the testimony of ______ (he has had more than 100 interviews with SB in a sapan of 3-4 years) all of Sai Baba's materializations of ashes/rings etc. are palmed which is backed up by other recent independent reports, Sai Baba has NO mystical powers.
Actually, his health is very frail and it has been reported by sources in the inner circle that he suffered a heart attack last month. He can hardly walk since then. He has been sick for a number of years and is maybe suffering from AIDS. I think your own theory about SB having mystical powers is quite interesting, but it contradicts direct testimony of visitors in the ashram. Here is one of David letters, which have been posted on the forum, which have been set up to expose the activities of Sai Baba.

"Thank you for putting the pictures on... James redmond has the video of swami producing the white book (which was readily available in the village at the time...I was there)or so called original bible. the video shows it in his hand before he "pruduced" it.

Paul, if you are going to talk about materializations, please make it clear that all the stuff is bought and palmed.

My Diamond ring... as swami and the inner circle told me... was a cheap stone (value 30 rupees) and when one of the clasps broke I had the stone removed to reveal a piece of silver paper underneath to make it sparkle The rings that you can see a head in... which people cannot see clearly but believe it is swami... because they are 'told' so... are made with a small piece of silver paper surrounded by a black piece, or the backing painted black so that at certain angles you get a reflection of YOUR OWN FACE... and think it is swami.

Also people who have had interviews and have been given something which has subsequently broken, often, if they get the chance, ask swami to replace the lost stone, or broken bracelet or stopped watch... he never does, he always replaces with another (from the chair) or his classic trick is to to go out the back room, out of site... (if you ever get the chance of an interview and this happens... listen very carefully!)he opens a drawer and you will hear a tiny chink as he picks up the next 'materialisation' and then he gets a robe which he carries in his hand. Everyone is so excited that someone is getting a swami robe they do not realize that he is carrying the next materialization in the hand under the robe... thats how he gets it into the chair if it is not already there.
He also has two handkerchiefs on the arms of the chair and he often will palm stuff under one of the handkerchiefs until needed when he has an urgent need to wipe his face... surprise surprise, and then gets the ring or whatever into his hand again to trick the next person......"

I would ask if you would send the email address of your friends Hugh and Carol, as I wish to learn the details of their very personal friendship with Sai
Baba. Tell them about the Yahoo forum (that goes for the others who responded to the newsletter about Sai Baba).

Are these the people who have seen Sai Baba clairvoyantly???

From: Tony O'Clery

Namaste All,

Mystress Angelique wrote: >Really, accusing Sai Baba of being a pedophile is just such a cliche smear tactic that I am doubtful that these stores are true. He doesn't need to collect the sperm of boys for power, 20 million devotees is all the power anybody needs.

I think it's the same with Grandma Devi. Whether the stories are true or not, they are gossip, and I prefer to open my intuition and make my own opinions of people rather than believe what may be malicous slander promoted by an envious mind.<

Reply from Tony:

Angelique, I thought like that also in the beginning and fiercely opposed these guys, bluntly and rudely.

It is still on the yahoo site in my early posts, tantric healing excuses etc, but after researching for myself, I had to admit the Truth. Watching the sleight of hand on some videos was one thing, but it indicates dishonesty in a man who claims to be an avatar/God on earth etc.

With regard to the sexual stuff; I personally know some of the people making these assertions, and found them trustworthy. I reserved all my decisions on this until I heard from Larsson. He being such a big name in Europe, and of high character and stature. If he said it was so then I knew for sure it was.
Coincidentally I received emails from another source that corroborated the story of the Swedish boy, so I knew it was true. I also received other emails pointing to the same thing. I was pretty well known on Sai internet circles, unfortunately better known now!

The point about what is morality? Well Wim, Sai Baba knows the morality of his devotees and he also knows what he teaches in his writings, or whoever writes for him.

I also know a little of the Tantra and pulling weenies isn't in the book!!!! Rubbing in the cocyx area may be or underneath, energising etc perhaps. There may even be sexual intercourse without any attachment at all and no ejaculation by the male. This is heterosexual please note.

Sai Baba is not doing anything like this, oral sex between same sexes isn't in the book either. It usually has to be a male/female union of Sakti thing, it is not just about raising kundalini as such. He is just gratifying his desires that's all. Which means he cannot be who he says he is, a realised avatar in
constant nirvikalpa samadhi. If he has but one desire, even if it is to trick he is not realised, therefore the whole thing is a sham.

Only one phony materialisation puts a lie on the whole thing. I was with him for 15 years and spent time on the ashram etc. He is a powerful astral being collecting souls that's what!!!!!!

I know usually this kind of accusation is the first one people levy but in this case many have gone to the extent of preparing affidavits and he will be served if he ever comes to the West. Check out these urls...

It is a guy called Beyerstein it was part of my overall research. I have a lot of stuff here!

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Om Namah Sivaya...


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ASATHO MA SATH GAMAYA, From the unreal lead me to the real,
THAMASO MA JYOTHIR GAMAYA, From darkness, lead me to light,
MRITHYOR MA AMRITAM GAMAYA.From death, lead me to immortality.
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(Follow up from the above writings, two days later...)

See Men PoliSee

"T a scorpio apology for sting is spelled apologia and it means reason for... as in creates awareness... which is what comes and goes from the male stinger"

"Weren't any such structures as spinal vas deferens"....? Tailbone horsehair microtubule waveguides harvesting UV blue fire at the blue dish... The stinger becomes a straw at the Kundabuffer moment see Gurdjieff... Spinal excipients pump out calcific block first... kunda lingum - green stone - Why must bliss BEGIN with tears? (../kundalini )

From Dan Winter, 11/20/99 url: ../seemen/index.html

Other articles: ../sitemap.html

A postlude to the Heavy Sai... Baba

Addiction, Gurus & Sex Juice vs PRINCIPLE of Ecstatic Communion

stimulating conversation..

In order to see how men politic, see how semen makes a body polis. (Something more than a tongue in cheek...) To have the pole or vertical blind spring, djed, mygalic tower... DNA uses its haploid half double helix... which is on the one hand biology's most desperate arrow squirting thru the superluminal... and on the other, biology's greatest departure from pure fractal embedding (of which eggness is the opposite..). As such it is definitely MOST at risk of being a very unsustainable wave. (Ever see a seed NOT desperate for a THE stairway into biologic immortal sustainability... EGG.)

It is one thing to use the inertia of this arrow as a lever into time (see the role of tantra at Montauk and Incunabula

(Incunabula, Tantric wormholes and the bardo bridge, the antenna cocoon for human eros to produce shaamanic time tunnels:

It is another, to make that sustainable. The real tantric romance is that sustained penetrance requires access to an egg fractal enough (mothers mother embedding) to non-destructively ground the voltage.

Maleness folds in. Make red / make hard / make dry / make separate. (See DESERTIFICATION, Patriarchy and "Hard-Making Power" , physics tells us why laws against hugging prevent rain: nothing seeds the columnation of magnetism.. the precipitator - ../desertification/DESERTFY.html )

Versus Ieve: to Make word / make wet / make blue / make unfold.

The seed making urge is centripedal, yang, and was called ADAMIC which meant both HARD MAKING POWER, and RED MAKING POWER. ('Hebraic Tongue Restored..Roots of the ADAMic Race' by Fabre D'Olivet). Spin is segregated unto spin density (mass) when spin gets phi-cycle. The photon donut's converging side tilt is calibrated by the phase angle measuring cone, which physics naively labels RED. Sometimes I see RED I am so angry that they refuse to teach the kids that what they are naming is the CONverging PRINCIPLE itself. (Try tilting the phi flame letter on the 7 color moebius photon donut - to adom: hiburu for red, and check your spin path.) The ADAMic race became Adomic with the atomic race. How much can we make separate: shall we live in apart meants. Let's build an adom smasher.

I too am happy we drop the trite anal-ysis of Sai Baba personality and consider only pure principle.

I am glad others have measured the quantity of their semen which enters the spine tailings and pumps during kundalini... soon we shall refine how to taste good QUALITY hygiene when you do. (Belly up to the bar for your Ozone enema... only kidding/optional... see Twinking Eyes Lifestyle at Nourished by Spin Hygiene for Ecstatic Lifestyle link below...)

Lesson in adiabatic process (chemistry's definition of energy conserving which they the chemists conserved from the energies of magic..)..

1. Semen, like urge to touch, when stopped is the definition of anger (see the function of the poison pellet -other wise known as football - in the balinese cockfight...)... If there were ecstatic means for the urge to touch to be expressed among men, football would not need to exist, and the 'bonfire of those vanities" would not collapse from the inside out. What is Testasterone poisoning at one end of the tail bone is the snake venom of bliss at the Amygdalic snakes mouth. (Sanchidaan & The Legend of Billy Jack.)

2. The politics of making semen illegal called churchianity has its root chakra in the fear that the Niburu borgs would get thru the door into time.. .eliminating the payroll of the Hiburu priests. The same Inquistion politics murdered 1/4 of the women in Europe. The fundamental original urge of the Niburu Hiburu was the creation of DNA hygiene/sex politics. Remember Sumerian watered down is GENESIS, the bible story. Summaire in Celtic means Dragon/Draco. The "Chosen Race" were merely those who bothered to steer their genepool with a little hygiene, which became politically incorrect after Hitler failed the compassion vs. telepathy test. A steered DNA is a worm with a will.

3. The Solar system if you blink slow enough look like a sperm? Seed and the Egg: Earth Inseminates Galaxy. The trace of all the planets over ONE precession as a sperm like TEARDROP is nicely imaged in "Theory of Celestial Influence" .. illustrates the beautiful cocooning sperm: ../seedandegg/index.html The Earth grid wratcheting Dodec leaves a magnetic etching inside the Solar System body exactly like DNA in the Halploid Sperm. The GAIA'S Lactic Core - Milky Way Awaits (Star) Seeding. Centering Force for Gravity Bodies (Angel birth = Sustainable Star Metabolism) begins with the same electrical convergent urge we call seed making.

4. Semen crystalized is a cancerous cell wall, semen leaky is an aids. (see graphics at ../cancer ) Plumbing 101 for ecstatic sacro-cranial juicing requires a massaged pressure embedded by phi phonons: The Heart sonics of bliss. (../isthisrecursion/apta.html ) Snake charming peristalsically.

5. Fundamentally, only DNA set free, gets enough heterodyne shoulders to pine into time. ... HEADLINE- See Men: Worm Gets Head!. So bliss in the sex juice can only be spontaneous combustion. This is the physics of Virgin Birth, documented in kundalini women. (Sanella). Ultimately it is only Charge itself which splits the egg, sperm is merely the vehicle for the tornadoeing force. Graphics at ../dimple .

6. Blissful DNA is free to unfold non-destructively / phi cycley, this creates the visible blue fire UV cocooning which is a superluminal time bubble in tantra (incunabula link above..). Adiabatically conserved DNA Haploid sting sperm can be the motor for this successful dimpling ONLY in the case of Hygiene. (Hint dizzy genetically engineered non-embedable DNA in wheat is the motor for little more than smoke and mucous..) Suggest: Nourished By Spin; Twinkling Eyes Lifestyle, ../nourishedbyspin/nourishd2.html

I recommend particular attend to the Wim Borsboom last note above. Excellent intro to the phonons of sacro cranial pumping (../isthisrecursion/apta.html ) As in what lies Amygdalically beyond the gates of the occiput....: Ask yourself, why must the bliss switch head tilt back of the Merkabbah ( ../merkabbah ) be an exquisite spinal symmetry reversal wave of the tail bone tai chi pelvic tilt which opens the tail bone pump switch Kundabuffer like a flower. 'Ride the LONG WAVE Uncle Joe'...(from "Surfers of the Zuvuyu" by Jose Arguelles: TIME CORRIDOR ENTRY!)

In response to Wim's query about the female parallel for kundalini juice, a friend (James) suggests there is ejaculate. Yet the fundamental electrical envelope of egg/fractal making is clearly charge reception/grounding vs: charge projection. What the reverend mothers of Dune always knew was male perogative, time penetrance.. was the reward males got for risking life so far from female fractal memory of the skull touch /Orion Queen / hive mind. (../honey ) Why are the Draco Queen's angry today? E liz a beth. From lizard worm born.

Remember however, prescience in time squirting was to be condemned to never enjoying something unseeable... (God Emporer of Dune). Every moment needs its sting. We created amnesia at death's still points to create that. (Mathematical Origins of Catasrophe Theory: How in a Contiguous Wave Sytem Do You Get Discontinuity? / Separateness... the Fundamental Question of Quantum Mechanics - What Quantizes? That urge to Seperate Making Power is the origin of both separateness and Maleness. A deep mystery about Patriarchy's is they can only sustain while the Solar System is on the 13,000 year CONverging squeeze Doppler Shift side of our half wave around the galaxy. For me I'd rather squeeze a woman.