E-MAIL EXCHANGE WITH MR. THORBJØRN MEYER
THE CENTRAL COORDINATOR OF THE
SATHYA SAI ORGANISATION FOR EUROPE
By Robert Priddy, ex-leader of the Norwegian Sathya Sai Organisation & former Oslo Centre (active 1983-1999)
Document date: 02-15-02
Website: Sathya Sai Baba - Extensive information and Viewpoints
From: Robert Priddy
To: Thorbjørn Meyer
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 10:11 AM
Having recently seen the DR film plus the interviews with you, Pruzan, Trygved etc. on the news, I think it is time I informed you of some things you evidently have been unable to discover. I think it will actually be in your interest to read this mail carefully. I wish to do the service of recommending that you investigate certain matters very thoroughly before you commit yourself further in taking on a very heavy moral and legal responsibility with a Sai High School, considering the known circumstances. To base such decisions on belief rather than on facts is always a risky undertaking in such potentially vulnerable situations.
Firstly, and quite apart from the sexual allegations: V.K. Narasimhan, with whom I must have had at least a hundred hours of private conversation, started a process in me that took years to come to fruition. By 1996 he was a troubled man, when he told me how Baba himself virtually forced him to lie about the Trust in the press after the 1993 press exposé of its dealings which came out in the aftermath of the killings in the temple in June 1993. Baba insisted that N. write a piece white-washing the Trust even though he knew that corruption and embezzlement went on. However, only the paper The Tribune, Chandigarth where his son was editor would publish it! Mr. Suri of the Book & Pub. Trust was caught red-handed with non-accounted Rs. 50,000.- too, whose dishonesty and theft Narasimhan had long deplored (and I have experienced too, along with the Bruces etc). Narasimhan confided in me when I had to ask him because of accounts I was told by a well-informed IAS officer, one who knew what had happened in the investigations following upon the murders after the police had been totally discredited. When the four devotees intruded into Baba's rooms, they disturbed him with the young boy (a well-documented fact!) with fatal consequences for themselves. Narasimhan told me of Baba's younger brother and other Trust members and ashram officials "they did a terrible thing". They blackmailed the Puttaparthi police to execute in cold blood the four intruders (who had slashed to death the two attendants who opposed them). The blackmail was done on the strength of them knowing how the police had let the two brothers who murdered the Swiss lady 'escape', once they had told the police where they had hidden the ca. Rs. 80,000 stolen from that lady. You know the lady I refer to, she was slashed terribly and died, having just got her room in PN the day after Baba left PN in the spring of 1990 (or perhaps 91?). I asked you about it once in the subsequent year when we met at PN and you suggested that she more or less had herself to blame by showing her money in the village.
The murder investigation in 1993 was quashed by the N. Rao government (via the long-term devotee Home Minister S. B Chavan and the Andhra Pradesh Minister), when the investigators got too hot on the trail of the truth and when the Home Minister in the Rao gov't, S.B. Chavan, and Baba's younger billionaire brother, Janaki Ramiah, discussed the incident, Narasimhan was present. He told me that Chavan had congratulated Janaki and the ashram authorities on the executions, saying 'Dead men tell no tales', and they had laughed together over it!!
What tale would the victims have told, do you think? Remember that two of them had been Baba's very closest assistants previously. Narasimhan was very shocked by this, as you might expect! He had spoken to Baba about it several times and repeatedly said to me, 'His reply was not convincing, NOT convincing'. Padmanabhan, the photographer, and others also heard this on one occasion with me too. Further, Baba was nearby when the executions were performed, having just been conferring with his brother & Joga Rao directly before the executions! What were they discussing? It took me years and much pain before I could realise (from years of increasing investigations since then) that nothing can explain away the fact that Baba was a passive accomplice to cold-blooded murder, nearby in the same building! What could possibly exempt him from the responsibility, the one whose word is law inside Prashanti Nilayam! (And in powerful government and law circles in India not least). The victims all the families and others who so had any connection with involved were persecuted and received no justice, not even a court case! One example, a 12-year old college boy who V. Prabhu was checking on for the boys mother was imprisoned without any reason and had to get psychiatric treatment and leave for the US. All this sheer injustice was heinous. Sai Baba says we should always respect the laws of our nation, but what did he do? Ah, he is God Almighty, so he can flout the laws of any land!
I see that you said that 'only two/three' persons have made sex allegations against Baba, which is quite false. If you really believe that, then I am sorry for you for being so sadly misinformed or naturally very anxious about what you would find. But I know how the inner censor does not allow such thoughts and it is easy to become fearful... I understand your position very well. But, Thorbjørn, there are at least 14 highly credible long accounts to be read on the web and I have been contacting many people in order to come to a position on whether they are genuine. I know of many more referred to by others... plus that I have alone come to know of 8 more instances of unwanted interferences or molestation, oilings, and kissing of people I knew or who knew friends of mine. (And I would listen to none of them nor take much notice). But no amount of mental gymnastics erases the credibility of some of these people. I have had the aid of friends in investigating further. What of the leading Greek devotees who withdrew their son from Baba's college many years ago due to his molestations (their leaving was confirmed by Ratan Lal to a friend of mine, but he believes only what he thinks he knows not a very perceptive man in my view). I understand that the Malaysian Sai Org was split in two because Baba molested sons of devotees there back in the late 70s. There is documented reference to this in serious literature, as well as credible second-hand evidence from two one-time students through a friend of mine. Tal Brooke is not the first accuser, either - for Krishna, who Baba held to be his 'soul brother' and who shared his rooms - and even his chariot on Gurupoornima day, but who left after several years - made no secret of Baba's sexual inclinations or his teenage lust. It was a long time before I - most unwillingly - just had to accept the facts that poured in and I became wholly convinced of the truth behind these allegations. You cannot have failed to notice how many teenage boys have received many interviews in a short time, received rings etc., and soon have just disappeared.
You ask for documentation, but the nature of these cases is such that this is always extremely difficult to get until investigations have penetrated deep into the morass. In India, you should know, with crooks running it (eg. the Tehelka scam) documentation is hard to get and is often worthless because the legal system is fixed etc. What makes you think Vajpayees government is even as honest Nixon & his administration were? Because he is a devotee, I suppose? The very idea that they might censor the Danish media and stop free speech there, as they tried so hard but unsuccessfully to do, speaks for itself? I do also wonder if it was you who first asked for such intervention? However, dwelling exclusively on the legal status of this whole issue will not get you appreciably nearer to the truth of it. It can just as easily lead the other way! People use it all too often to defend their beliefs against truth.
The internet has made it possible for victims of all kinds from all around the world at last begin to be able to confer about their experiences. This is so for those who have had to cut their affiliation with the Sai movement and found themselves in a complete social vacuum. Thousands now have a channel to others at last. The exposé grows and grows, with the high likelihood that a huge backlog is on the way (as shown occurred in the Catholic Church and many another such closed institution). According to devotees who have just returned, they met some of the friends of several boys sleeping in Baba's apartments every night. It was alleged that one always shares his bed. Sexually abused person take a very long time to realise what they have been subjected to, and the process of speaking out usually takes decades at least. That a number of Baba's ex-student staff members who have allegedly been his 'form boys' are also pedophiles also needs serious investigation - the accusations stand from over 170 ex-students on an Indian website, with a heart-rending appeal to be believed because even their parents cannot listen to them. In a discussion I had with Narasimhan about Baba's weird discourse in which he told of the boys sleeping in his locked apartment & seeing his mothers ghost etc., well before the latest wave of revelations, Narasimhan asked me whether homosexual/pedophile behaviour really mattered in the West. He was crestfallen and silent when I told him that the world would never accept any such thing. Pedophile seduction is evidently widespread in sexually repressive India and is accepted tacitly along with so many other evils, as I have learned from various sources from my long contact with that country since the 1950s. Indians who grow up in contact with this accept tend to accept it as a fact of life and turn a blind eye. Prof. Haraldsson mentions only two instances of homosexual allegations against Baba in his research interviews. You might well inquire of him to tell you if he was told of more!
Having studied Indian mysticism and philosophy since the 60s - having observed in detail the long procession of impure gurus from the East and having known a swami with 'divine powers' before SB, among other experiences I have had, I have to object to the wild theory of some devotees, taken out of the air, about how oiling (& kissing?) is needed to affect the chakras etc. Rather, it appears to be a tentative sexual advance to test the possibility of further intimacy, similar kinds of advance being well know from the psychopathological literature. To claim publicly that one 'knows' Baba is not guilty is simply unreasonable (as Steen Piculell did). It is belief, not knowledge. With Baba it is all too easy to confuse knowing and believing, he even recommends it to the point of mindless thoughtlessness! What he does at nights is known only to those who share his bedroom. He is not under surveillance in the private interview room, either, nor in various other places.
The conclusion that so many good acts and charm etc. prove that they are not matched by bad ones cannot be made. Men with great powers can fall... think of Ravanna who, Baba again and again repeats(!) overcame all bad qualities except lust! This is a soul-shaking realisation to have to accept, I already well know. But your counter-accusations of the accusers seem to me like offering gall to the suffering. You would not want to be known in future for that? That you know nothing about the accusers is evident since you speak of only 2/3. I also think that know relatively little really about Bailey or even Conny. I suggest that you could start by retracting your allegations against them straight away and publicly. There is a strong movement world-wide to bring all involved to legal accountability eventually, which I reckon will prove unstoppable, however long it may take. Other powerful churches, institutions, cults have resisted but have eventually fallen, for time is always on the side of accountability. You might as well know that there are people doing much work informing and engaging with various world organisations, governments etc.. Subpoenas, writs etc. against SB and others are being lodged in more and more countries.
I would recommend withdrawal by you and all others in Denmark from all involvement with advising young men to take trips to see Baba. Though I know it is unthinkable to you now, the best thing would be to disband the Sai Org. in Europe altogether, all in all. Here in Norway it has crumbled down to next to no one, more than in Sweden even.
I still consider that Baba's teaching contains much wisdom, yes, but I have increasingly found that there's virtually nothing original anywhere in it. It is also sweepingly general, often very vague and frequently self-contradictory (if you really study and think about it). (I have written a lot partly to try to be a moderating influence - in Sanathana). It is an à la carte menu of all variants of Indian thought, a neo-Vedantic mixture; lacking internal consistency. It also contains plenty of factual blunders, misquotes, and - for anyone trained in philosophical analysis - glaring self-contradictions at a fundamental level that cannot be rationalised in any way. I assure you that there is hardly even an anecdote or image, parable or story not taken from others before him that I have not come across before or since! Baba does not claim to have a new teaching anyhow! I have read very widely - also heard from my previous guru and other Indian people before that - many of the examples & stories that Baba uses, almost always without acknowledgement. You will find this by thorough study of most of the works of Ramakrishna (by 'M'), Shivananda, Ramana Maharshi, Nisargadatta, Chidananda, Shankara, Vivekananda, Dayananda Saraswati, Ramanuja, Godbole, Blavatsky, Brunton and many more. Nearly all of those are much clearer, more explanatory and better stated than anything Baba has produced, even when his often rambling talks were edited down rigorously and intelligently by Narasimhan etc.
Of course, a high school based exclusively or mainly on Baba's teaching as the spiritual basis in isolation from the entire, rich culture of the world, lacking any real comparative study of religions - or even of science and the humanities - would fall far short of excellence. Also if it should be conducted without genuine discussion but with patronising censorship and fobbing off honest questions as in many European Sai centres it will become no more than another sectarian curiosity.
Miracles or not, Baba is now in the same position as many others who also have been totally believed to be 100% pure all their lives, until the denouément... think of Jiddu Krishnamurti, Rajneesh, Trungpa Rinpoche, plus Swamis Premananda, Muktananda, Swami Rama, and plenty of others that I have data on. They also had paranormal powers, some brought up lingams on Sivarathri for years, and many 'produced' vibhuthi, some even gave shaktipat, let alone healings. All emanated very strong personalities and what people experienced as love (most probably through unconscious projection of their own energies or wishful infatuations, As Baba rightly says, love and bliss really comes from the self within in any case. Flattery and promises of distant things are the hook, and he uses strong and not-so-loving means to keep his dependents in line too (to correct you for your own good?), as I feel sure you know well from experience. He is not free of his worldly agendas and priorities in the social and political power complex. Almost all gurus promise liberation from rebirth to those who they wish to bind closely to them, surely you must know that! I am quite aware of all the various paranormal powers of Baba, also that he has many 'human' failings, more of both aspects than I documented in my book relating to him - and I have also experienced such powers with other persons both from India and elsewhere ... besides having widely studied the vast world literature on this, having investigated deeply for about four decades.
You will realise by now in your own mind that Baba's 'revered name' has also already acquired an indelible taint, despite his constant claims to the contrary. I am sorry that you have been kept - or have somehow kept yourself - so much 'in the dark' about these things. I am sad for you both and all the others who, like us, have been deluded by the hidden corruption, secrecy and criminality at Baba's ashrams, with his complicity as ine director etc. The process of realisation is painful, but there is no other way I always thought that eventually, the truth comes out. It cant be so totally distant and orced from worldly facts, or fly in the face of them all! Of course, I know a lot more about things than I could reasonably cover in this letter.
That is what I thought you ought to know. Our condolences in all this to you both.
From: Thorbjörn Meyer
To: Robert Priddy
Normally I would not answer a letter like the one you send me now. But I have known you for many years and consider you to be an intelligent, spiritual seeker that obviously has been mislead. I trust you and Reidun have both left the Sathya Sai Organisation. You say it has crumbled down. But under your leadership it never did grow above a dozen devotees, did it?. In fact I think it is at least as big now as it ever were. And Sweden counted perhaps 50 devotees at its peak and now perhaps 30. Really not the dramatic changes you seem to talk about, is it? And don't you worry about the rest of Europe. It is fine!
You think you base your opinion on facts and claim to have a reliable source. How unfortunate that your main source has passed away. Why didn't you write to me when he was still around so I could check with him? About the incident in 1993 Conny Larsson has the same unconfirmed story but another source: an anonymous policeman. In either case nobody can check your (parallel) stories. Who is talking about belief versus facts? You refer to the web stories. Perhaps something like Hari Sampath's web site?. I think it contains all of it. A lot of pages based on what is only known by hearsay as well as bits and parts of newspaper articles. Everything unconfirmed! Sampath claims to have sent 20 affidavits to CBI in India. But it is not possible to get hold of these.
And they have never been delivered to the proper Indian authorities in Andhra Pradesh. Larsson also tells abuse stories and refers to young men (for instance a young male in Poland) who according to Larsson certainly were molested. But when approached they deny that any sexual abuse has taken place, at the most the age old Indian oil ceremony. Or Bailey's many second hand stories. Nothing of what Bailey writes is first hand. Nothing is confirmed, everything is blowing in the wind. Just like when you tell me that Vajpayee tried to censor the Danish media. What nonsense, Bob! You are referring to an open letter from Vajpayee to media in general (Indian and foreign) warning them against bringing vicious stories and slander and urging them to perform proper research.
This is what it is about. Nothing about stopping free speech in Denmark - or anywhere else for that matter. But a brilliant example of how you and others willingly and without any proper research turn a single feather into seven hens, as Hans Christian Andersen described the nature of gossip. And how dare you criticize the coming European Sathya Sai Educare Academy. You know absolutely nothing about it. It is a non-profit foundation outside the Sathya Sai Organisation devoted to spirituality and universal human values, not the sectarian curiosity that you have fabricated in your mind.
So, dear Bob I am sorry my condolences go to you and the dear sister Reidun. It would be better if you just turned inside and concentrated on your own ine Selves. This is OUR primary agenda. And we do not think that any further dialogue between us serves a meaningful purpose. Please do respect that.
From: Robert Priddy
To: Thorbjørn Meyer
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 7:16 PM
Since you deigned to answer me, but also to ask me a question, I take up my right to answer, and in full. I cannot respect your wish to put me in my place then shut me up... that is your old method, well-known to many of the most decent people I have met in the Sai Org., most of whom have left. But it will not work with me, not least since you have a public duty to be accountable. It is important that the public get access to this discussion, don't you think? It clearly all needs to be published in Danish.
You asked about the Sai Org. in Norway: "But under your leadership it never did grow above a dozen devotees, did it?."
The answer is, about 50-odd devotees at the biggest meeting (one SB birthday), but few ever wished to be members. I respected their choice, no pressure, no preaching. I never wanted to recruit people, for I totally rejected your foolish ideas about numbers being the goal of leadership and proof of own worth, as you most clearly invest much pride in. (If you like, see my analysis of Sai Org. on my website http://home.no.net/anir/Sai/saiorg/ ) Did you cause people to become devotees, or SB, I wonder? I took on the role as a duty, until someone else would take over. There were real difficulties for years finding anyone who would even remotely consider becoming a coordinator. Now there are about 4 persons left at meetings which once were very often around 20. So you'd better re-massage your statistics once again!
We all make some mistakes, you know, and it seems I was mislead about there having been a direct approach from the Indian authorities to DR. It makes little difference. Someone among you brought Vajpayee's attempt at stopping free speech formally to their notice, n'est ce pas?
You think I have been mislead about SB. Most certainly I have - about and by SB! I could not inform you about the murders before because it took about 4 years of intensive investigation for me to reach conviction about certain indubitable facts! Besides, I could not risk retribution on V.K. Narasimhan while he was alive (and much dependent on the ashram facilities after his wife died). From the same powers who brought about the four executions and caused much other havoc, with Janaki Ramiah as the central person in the Central Trust with his big brother, SB. How reassuring! You think I am inventing all this. Most unfortunately not.
As to "the age old Indian oil ceremony." Can you document it and also any credible spiritual reason for it? I admit it is a fact that certain 'ancient' Tantrik cults practice many sexual aberrations, but what does this tell us? Does this 'ceremony' necessarily involve voluptuous kissing on the mouth, as even a mutual Danish acquaintance of you at an interview with me experienced from SB in the private room while we sat outside. I shall not name him, but person later came to Oslo and told me this (I would not hear). Why don't you also contact the nephew of Liz, the 'choir lady', who went on the web independently to tell how he was molested when he visited SB with Hal Honig? I know from reliable contacts of seven other incidents that are not listed anywhere. Have you too had 'first hand experience' of being 'oiled' perhaps, if so, why not? Perhaps 'Indian oiling' includes masturbation? Numerous persons have attested this about SB. It is not easy for victims to come forth, esp. when such as you are there to malign them. Not all are on Sampath's website. Search through the Indian students' website quicktopic.com, and exbaba.com, or snowcrest.com to start with...Why not admit it, you just don't want to know.
I do dare to mention that the high school you want to start has been financed, I understand, from a Sai donation of $6m from the US. Correct me if I am wrong in also saying that it be staffed by full believers, mostly members of the Sai Org., and you will direct it. I am informed that the policy of various national Sai organisations is now to start separate Trusts under different names in various countries for buying properties etc. without the SB name. I feel that you and your accomplices are acting deviously in this. If I am entirely wrong, then I might just be partly reassured. But I am convinced there will surely be students who will hear so much about SB at your school that they will want to meet him.
You advise me to go within as you are doing... when I want your spiritual advice, I'll ask for it! You say you are doing this, well - I wish you would, but close down your outward activities firstly! And as to your 'dear sister', my wife, she left the Sai Org. over a year before me! I had to laugh at your hypocrisy in using this empty 'title'. Why pretend to be so nice when you don't mean it? That must be another inauthentic effect of Baba's advice to 'always speak obligingly'. Did he do so in his Xmas discourse 2001 in the mandir when he angrily beat the lectern with his fist? But I am not going to stand for lies and worse, even if I too have to attack critically!
Wake up, Thorbjørn... it 'only' takes about four or more years of searching self-honesty and investigating facts to free oneself of that delusion and deceit, if you have the guts.
From: Thorbjörn Meyer
To: Robert Priddy
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 12:49 PM
If you insist on wearing dirty glasses - you will only see dirt. What can I do? Only wish you will be happy.
From: Robert Priddy
To: Thorbjørn Meyer
Sent 2.15 NT Sunday
You wear a blindfold and speak the usual empty words of 'dear' and 'love'. At least you don't call me 'brother'! But your actions are what count! Think more about justice and compassion for victims! Thanks for providing me with the decisive documentation for the Danish public of your total refusal in fact to do what you said, investigate the allegations! You ask me no questions about them, you don't want to hear, see or think. Tough luck. How about 'documentation' of your dirty allegations against victims, then?
From: Thorbjörn Meyer
To: Robert Priddy
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 12.49 PM
Bob, what do you know about my actions or investigations? But I needn't explain anything to you. You obviously prefer hal -truths twisted into lies like in the so-called 'documentary' from DT TV.
From: Robert Priddy
To: Thorbjørn Meyer
You wrote: "Bob, What do you know about my actions or investigations? But I needn't explain anything to you. You obviously prefer half truths twisted into lies like in the socalled documentary from DR TV."
And what does anyone know about your investigations? We'd really like to hear that. But you do need to explain, and not only to us, for there is a gaping credibility gap in your public statements. All honest people can see it. But you feel much safer not saying much!
We ask ourselves whether you have thought of the painful process we and so many others have been through? Don't for a moment believe that there is anything enjoyable in having to take up these extremely unpleasant, disillusioning subjects. Easier to wash one's hands of the whole thing and enter a world of denial... but not in the long run, we expect. Apart from the touching, kissing, sex acts and murder crimes, there is the despicable fact of being lied to all along by SB, who claims to be The Truth, Love & Purity Itself. This is a most heinous abuse of human trust. It is monstrous to be let down thus and it is usually very destructive of spiritual trust altogether.
I worked for decades as a professional - interpreting, analysing and deducing - which I apply to your supposed 'investigations'. I am in a position to compare your position with the facts, many that you certainly do not know or can imagine. Or are you so simple as to believe that I am unaware that there are half-truths? Lies can always be found on both sides, but you are the victim of a massive cocoon of half-truths, and of mystifications, wishful hopes, uncertainties and tests. A researcher in sociology can't be a simple-minded, credulous person without deep reflection, testing of hypotheses, critical questioning of reliable witnesses and other forms of evidence. That is proven by my critical stance now, because for a long time Reidun and I thought very much like you about Sai Baba etc. I too was tempted to swallow many things that sat very badly on the stomach! But it is no longer at all possible for us to put our trust in what SB says now, we have studied his words and behaviour far too widely, thoroughly and deeply. We know that he speaks with two tongues, often acts quite contrary to his preachings. SB says only what serves his private agenda at any time. But you still buy the whole thing, " the will of God Himself", don't you? I know the answer! You think you will get 'liberation'. But at what price the risk?
Most of SB's promises and predictions are unfulfilled, as you should well know. Unlike yourself, I seek, examine and investigate properly and at great length and with my whole soul. That is not least how I eventually found I had penetrated more and more of the myths surrounding such a numinous phenomenon as SB represents, also with a vast mass of half-truths and people who thrive on them that it has attracted. I have hundreds of documents backing up my work, and many hundred more pages on all this approaching finalisation. The psychology of this is also extremely subtle and interesting. Much will be revealed in time.
Those who stood up bravely on 'Seduced' were just more convincing than you were later on the news. The documentary has some faults, I know, but it has very powerful substance too. You have to know how to tell the wood from the trees. 'Seduced' is the first counterbalance to all the wholly one-sided films available from the Sai movement. The overall effect of the documentary is in the interest of free speech and truth. This is needed when there is zero times zero accountability or openness from Sai Baba or any of his representative spokesmen. Your cavalier attitude to 'oiling' overlooks the fact that any physical intrusion on genitalia without explicit consent beforehand - even by doctors - is a punishable offence in civilised countries! So this undocumentable 'age old Indian ceremony' had better not be practiced in or via your Sai High School! Favourite teachers of SB from his Colleges in India would be very risky. I attach two comments from top religious scholars on the 'oil ceremony' as documentation of what those who have researched in just these fields hold. Their kind of researched evidence would always predominate in the courtrooms.( See below "The alleged 'age-old' Indian custom of 'oiling' the genitals etc.")
If you have investigated anything beyond a couple of victim websites, you still exhibited clearly that you do not care to 'document' any 'findings'. What do you need, a court decision for everything? Where is your brotherliness in your indecent slandering of the victims? No shred of evidence from you, and you still fail to apologise.You mistrust the evidence of David Bailey. Well, he seemed very like you originally, but he has a heart and some guts, evidently. He did not choose to find out the awful truths that were gradually forced on his attention by college students, not after ca. 100 interviews with SB and such a huge personal build-up. I do not agree with all he maintains, but much of it is sound for all that. Ask Magnus Vrethammar, for one... there is a really honourable fellow who worked tirelessly under your 'leadership' but who found out. A Norwegian lady journalist here was at an interview where her boyfriend was 'oiled' and was touched up in the crotch surreptitiously by SB out in the main interview room. A lady I know well in another European country was at PN with several young men from UK on whom SB 'tried his luck'. John Bright is another extremely credible recent witness who posted his shocking account on Craig Hamilton's UK site. Try him! Then there is the family in Arkansas whose son was molested by Sai Baba over 20 times over a 3 year period. It goes on and on... there are plenty more. How many victims have you met and listened to in person (not just on the film)? And your amateur philosopher, Peter Pruzan, suggested with such compassion that they must all be deluded! One who thinks truth has nothing whatever to do with facts, and flies in the face of them, is the one more likely to be moving away from sanity.
Like I was, and many others were, you are a victim of one of the subtlest indoctrinations for Westerners in the world today, backed by massive uncritical hearsay and plenty of official disinformation, yet combined with very great charisma, a traditional Indian background of fantastic mythology which fascinates many, use of the 'healing catalyst' role and powers of a Tantric/siddhic nature... plus sleight of hand too at times, as experienced by the current Oslo Coordinator . He saw SB blow on a ring to change it and then give the changed ring back to the owner. But the old ring was still lying on SB's seat when he stood up and went into the small inner room. When asked about it on returning, SB testily picked up the old ring and threw it into the back of his chair.
You help to set up the rigmaroles of indoctrination about the vast privilege, blessing etc. one must accept before getting to see God Himself On Earth, the One and Only. You do believe ithat? But only the very rich or socially influential can buy their way in directly, as all the costly silk-adorned and bejewelled wives in the two front rows at every darshan show and the percentage of those taken in demonstrates. Using all the attainments of the well-tried guru traditions to manipulate psychically, SB charms people, then - when he has got all of what he wants - keeps them at arm's length (but not his various degrees of useful cringing henchmen). However much your belief is due to naivety and the 'see, hear, think nothing ill' syndrome (which is actually applied only very selectively, even by SB), it works to keep you in line and literally grovelling in the dust before the dualistic phenomenon Raju/SB. You are mostly a willing instrument like others - indirectly wielded - to remove and rubbish other excellent devotees who begin to question the totalitarian imperium of which he holds the strings. I have met too many of your 'rejects', nearly all really decent people - ex office-bearers from various parts of your region - who have still not lost their minds (as you programatically try to do yourself on SB's constant unfulfillable advice!). If you had still had their respect, they might have trusted you and helped you smash the mirror hall in which you are, but where you can never find yourself. This 'spiritual testing' will not be easy for you, and I do regret this.
So one reason why you have these unfortunate problems of credibility (unfortunate for everyone) is your past attitudes, for who will release confidences to such a strong denier of Sai Baba's guilt? To malign the accusers is a guarantee that you will find no witnesses other than those who have the strength and confidence to go public. Only the tiniest minority of people can stand up in the public glare in sexual molestation cases. Would you not behave like Lucas Ralli did with denials, then fanciful absurd rationalisations when cornered personally by a determined young man who persisted until he half-listened, at least, about how he'd been sexually molested by SB (it's all on the web). There is also Kyra Kitts testimonial, You have not enough empathy to sense the fear generated in boys at Sai colleges by retributive murders and power controls which make it impossibe for molested students even to get a hearing with their own parents, who behave as sanctimonously about it as you do. In cases of sexual molestation, trust is THE sine qua non, and your statements have put you - in the eyes of victims - well outside the realm of trustworthy persons, and among the many collaborators of Sai Baba's activities at his colleges and ashrams etc.. who only a student with a death wish would confide in. Your way of reacting is exactly why so many have found it impossible to speak out until now.
You seem about as unknowledgable about India as you still are about SB. Even your colleague, the unconvincing Pruzan, can't go along with your report of the miraculous removal of an Arabic man's scar by massive stretching of the face which you say you both saw, can he? Apart from gullibility because of seeing paranormal powers, you don't seem to know the ins and outs of cognitive dissonance leading on to 'virtual hypnosis', or how induced hallucination relates to psychic-emotional conditions that cult members enter, Thorbjorn? Tantric masters and some yogis do all these things. Read Mircea Eliade, who had real experience and knowledge. Or Vivekananda. As to the formal legal side that you wish to present as if it provided the only proof of such things, you know that SB is beyond the law, in India (not outside, though!). You must know too that the judiciary has hundreds of Sai Baba devotees to the highest levels and they quash everything. In these matters, money or threats etc. cause official and legal papers to get lost, even people 'disappear'. If SB were sentenced now, you would doubtless rationalise that away too. Swami Premananda's followers still do, even on the DNA evidence of his raping girls who were then murdered! There is sufficient real documentation for court proceeding even with Indian law, and there are many witnesses against SB, but they are socially weak against the imperium and moreover the courts are just not open to them. Had you studied the Indian judiciary at all, you would know how it mostly works under the brown sahibs, with ineradicable cast prejudices and so on. When necessary, the police and judges are bought and paid by Sai Baba interests, as were the Puttaparthi police via blackmail. How far have you actually investigated this? Come on, dare you not reply to anything reasonable?
So why do you think so many criminals and corrupt Indian politicians flock to SB, from whatever party. They range from criminals Bettino Craxi (ex-PM of Italy) to Narasimha Rao (ex-PM of India), both fully 'documented' and duly sentenced to long prison terms and huge fines! Rao is one of the first and very few successes for the CBI in India. Now we can fairly confidently expect the son of Mr. Kulwant, who gave Baba the mantap hall at the PN ashrams and named it after him - a massive embezzler recently imprisoned, will go down too. And why do all of these powerful and rich movers always get front seats and immediate interviews, while so many unassuming selfless service workers among the poor and suffering seldom do?
Compare one well-known person among many great examples, the Dalai Lama, to SB. The Dalai Lama lives dharma for it can be seen and heard in what he does. He is accessible in many places without people having to kow-tow and he answers questions very directly and frankly and in intelligible, accurate language. He has real humility and enormous courage - putting himself in the front line - without protection from any troops or gunmen of his own - against one of the worst regimes in history. Meanwhile, SB sweet-talks and blesses all royalty (King & Queen of Nepal too, poor folks) politicians, and crooks that visit him. SB has 20 plain clothes security people at great expense (over 2 lakhs a month now) mingling in the crowds. Is this for the devotees? No more than the darshan metal detectors or the fact that SB hides daily and at night in a fortress apartment, guarded by machine-gun armed Israel-trained commandos. SB hardly ever gives a straight answer to any honest question, cannot stand the tiniest bit of criticism, boasts endlessly and most embarassingly about his achievements: none do 1000'th of what he does, he announced, all as if no one else were doing the work and providing the funds etc. He celebrates himself and his birthdays like no other event, claiming it is the devotees who want it. But almost only he enjoys it among the ashram people, who dread it. The Dalai Lama has convincingly lived non-violence in all he does (not just words) and has never had to stand by while his close attendants were assassinated with his tacit public approval and cover-up... he whose word is absolute law in all things done by mega-obsequious officials in the ashram! SB did not even risk answering any questions about the murders, (reread SB's waffling, devious, insubstantial Gurupurnima discourse about related details in 1993!). As far as I can tell, nor has the Dalai Lama had to throw up (most likely poisoned) food in front of followers and dignitaries at a public function, as SB did some while ago. And this "ever-tranquil, totally unaffected" SB dropped his guard and showed everyone that he is not compassionate or loving even of his critics, damning them all to constant shameless rebirths! Puh! The Dalai Lama damns and threatens no one! Well, Thorbjorn? You won't answer properly, how could you? Your powers of mental discrimination have been systematically weakened and you can mostly only regurgitate what you have been told or led to believe. You all need some perspective.
As to the murders and Narasimhan as a witness to those responsible, he did not trust you enough to speak to you on such matters, I know. He trusted me with confidences of which very few - if any - had any idea. Don't you know how the ashram fits in with the wall-to-wall corruption everywhere around? Mr. Chakravati was sacked from a government post for embezzlement prior to SB's 70th birthday, didn't you know? It was all reported in Indian papers, of course, and I received info. from a trustworthy high Indian official about this. Mr. Chakravati was placed at the head of the Water Project (which is not at all what it is made out to be; I am in contact with professional hydrologists on this) and now is Head of the PN ashram. You may not know that SB visits well-known crooks in their homes? One small example, Narasimhan told me how SB took him in his car to call on Mr. Reddy of Madras (in 1995), the liquour and crime baron. SB received from him a donation of 1 crore Rs for the water project, which was announced with his name, and included other crooks (Bangarappa, not least) at the 70th birthday. (Mr. Reddy was gunned down on the street and died six weeks later.) I know a great deal about things that you evidently do not. Another top source in the Customs & Excise, whose son was a victim of terrible maltreatment by the ashram & police, then investigated the Central Trust's dealings and found a number of dealings in black money, among others from none less than Dawood Ibrahim (you would perhaps know of one of India's greatest mafia bosses, armament & drugs' runner who is exiled in Dubai?). Well, you are playing with fire in India, Thorbjørn, if you're not 'a good boy for Swami'.
If you want to regain some respect for decency, then answer my many very pertinent questions, rather than try to attack me while playing patronising at the same time. It's no use spouting Baba's vague aphorisms at me in irrelevant contexts. I actually remain unaffected while I have this job to do with you. And don't try to pull the wool over my eyes about your secret attempts to try to stop press freedom in Denmark. I know! How can you speak of human values, when you demonstrate again and again that you don't practise the most basic elements of them - truth, right action, and always matching words with your behaviour? No one is perfect, but most of it seems to be just words from you, and without genuine understanding for other people. I cannot think of worse qualifications for becoming an educationalist. I have broken silence only after deep questioning on many fronts. You are representing the main current hindrance to accountability here in Europe, so that is why you are getting the heat. You wrote as if I were a hopeless case 'what can I do?', you despaired. I say to you, do as little as possible, then you'll risk less and do less harm. You seem to want to know more, if only still for your own purposes so far. That suits me too, in other ways. Just ask.
So you "only want me to be happy", do you? I'd concentrate only your own state of mind and soul at this stage, if I were you. Frankly, up to now, your words to victims have been despicable, and because you don't welcome frank and honest opinions, and have surrounded yourself with yea-sayers who mostly reflect back your own opinion of things and of yourself (or else out they go). I know you can't help that openness and tough truth-seeking are not natural to you. But you can at least try to change it. Otherwise I think your steep learning curve will begin on show in a Danish (or it could be another) courtroom. But that is not my concern. Still, I have to confront you and your sadly deluded colleagues with certain matters from now on, on behalf of the offended. It is a public duty. The truth has caught up with the US Catholic Church where blind eyes were turned to a massive number of known pedophiles and victims. It is a sign of things to come, mark my words. There are some powerful people at work. I'd be sorry if you stood in the way!
Au revoir, Robert
Note: The above correspondence was not continued due to the predicable failure of T. Meyer to reply.